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The last time we batted around the idea of a rescue at an underwater colony, I did some research on it. Apparently the idea was put forth, but they couldn't come up with a way to get it deep enough and large enough without the water pressure crushing the dome/globe/whatever shape it would have been. And I don't know if 60-80 years would have been long enough for them to come up with something.

And yes, Brains is affiliated with Tracy Industries. He's the means by which I brought my first OC, Lena Matumbo, into the RP. She was already working for TI when the opportunity presented itself.

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It was just an idea.

By the way, thanks for answering my question about Brains

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Actually, we might be able to introduce a colony - after all, Gordon lived underwater for a year, learning about undersea farming, according to both of the authorized sources. Susan also found an article about a project off the Florida Keys where people are experimenting with living underwater.

We can discuss it some more. I do like the idea.

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If you still have it, could you send me the link to that article on the Florida experiment? Sounds interesting!

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Here it is, found and forwarded by our unofficial finder of the odd and possibly useful, susanmartha.

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It says they are 60 feet under and take 17 hours to decompress. The problem with a rescue would be the decompression time. There was a reference to a diving bell in a episode. maybe it could be set up to take people directly to a decompression chamber?

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I just got this idea sadly when my neighbor's oldest daughter was diagnosed with brain cancer earlier this week, and a co-worker's mother was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer. Let's say IR's out on a rescue, and among those to be saved is a terminally ill person who's going to die anyway. He doesn't want to be rescued because he knows he'll die soon anyway. Do you think he would want IR to honor his request or would IR go on and rescue him anyway?

Also, if you've heard the California situation where a woman sued a good samaritan for supposedly causing her paralysis, there could be an idea there, too. I wonder if there could be a situation like that here, too, besides the situation where Nikki punched out the guy in that landslide rescue?

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Yes, I've thought about that myself. There was an incident a few years ago when a woman heard her neighbour yelling for help - her husband wasn't breathing or something. So the woman went over, did CPR, and broke a rib. Afterwards, the couple sued the woman for the broken rib. Good gracious, she saved the guy's life!

And police have sometimes warned people that unless you're on duty as a police or ambulance officer, or any emergency specialist, that if you see someone in trouble, don't help them. You could get sued. Just call for the proper emergency people and get out of the area.

They don't advise that all the time, but there are some nasty people out there.

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The good Samaritan laws in Washington state protect you IF you can show you were properly trained in the technique you used. A current red cross certification for instance. It can be weird if your a medical professional though. A nurse friend said she's scard to help sometime. It may be more of an insurace thing though.

The case you're talking about is a bit more complicated then that. The lady was conscious and told her friend NOT to pull her our of the car. The friend claims she thought the car was going to explode. It didn't, others were still in the car when the paramedics arrived. The claim is, if the firefights had lifted her out correctly, her back would not have been broken.

Now if someone claimed IR did something incorrectly and that caused the damage, they might have a case. Could IR prove it's people had the proper training without telling people who they were? Or if the spouse of someone who died claimed medical malpractice?

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The good Samaritan laws in Washington state protect you IF you can show you were properly trained in the technique you used. A current red cross certification for instance. It can be weird if your a medical professional though. A nurse friend said she's scard to help sometime. It may be more of an insurace thing though.

The case you're talking about is a bit more complicated then that. The lady was conscious and told her friend NOT to pull her our of the car. The friend claims she thought the car was going to explode. It didn't, others were still in the car when the paramedics arrived. The claim is, if the firefights had lifted her out correctly, her back would not have been broken.

Now if someone claimed IR did something incorrectly and that caused the damage, they might have a case. Could IR prove it's people had the proper training without telling people who they were? Or if the spouse of someone who died claimed medical malpractice?


In the old RP, Dianne was listed with Doctors Without Borders as simply "IR's physician", or something to that effect (Drew wasn't her uncle in that continuity, but he helped her get her license and certification through them - that particular RP had some... ahem... reality issues). Medical malpractice would be hard to prove, though, I'd think.

We should decide exactly how much emergency medical training the boys have had; I'm sure it's some, but to what level, I don't know. And proving their competence without revealing who they are would be a problem.

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I just got this idea sadly when my neighbor's oldest daughter was diagnosed with brain cancer earlier this week, and a co-worker's mother was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer. Let's say IR's out on a rescue, and among those to be saved is a terminally ill person who's going to die anyway. He doesn't want to be rescued because he knows he'll die soon anyway. Do you think he would want IR to honor his request or would IR go on and rescue him anyway?


They would rescue him anyway. There's no telling what treatments are around the corner (like the cancer center) and a family would have cause to try and sue if a person was left behind, fatal cancer or not.

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They would rescue him anyway. There's no telling what treatments are around the corner (like the cancer center) and a family would have cause to try and sue if a person was left behind, fatal cancer or not.


Not if the person not wanting to be rescued makes a video of himself saying he doesn't want to be saved by IR. I've had this idea brewing. He asks one of the rescuers to hold his digital camera (which has video capability), and he clearly says this, "My name is (whatever). I do not want to be saved by International Rescue. I'm terminally ill, and I don't have much longer to live. I want the public and my family to know the choice was mine to make, so please, do not blame them. They've respected my right to do this, so I'll respect their privacy."

From personal experience of my father's passing from cancer, I can say sometimes the cure is more painful than the disease. Not everyone wants to go through the enduring pain of radiation or chemotherapy. Yes, I understand there will probably be less painful treatments by 2068, but unfortunately, not all cancers will be cured by then, either. Just putting my two cents worth into this idea.

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Unfortunately it wouldn't just be a matter of consent by the person. Unless it was a country where euthanasia was legal, and, say, he couldn't afford it, then there would be a legal issue at stake. Assisted suicide is still illegal in a lot of countries today

I understand where you're coming from, Shirley. I can see the situation arising. Dominic's mother took her own life rather than suffer more with cancer. It's a complicated moral, legal, and personal issue, religious if you want to throw that hat into the ring.

I can't help thinking of IR's motto: "Never give up at any cost."

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How about a medical situation of some sort, similar to what we're talking about, where IR is innocent, but is unable to prove their innocence? Which may involve a court case.

I know I'm being vague, it's just an idea, and could involve the agents more

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Off the top of my head, scuppy, the only thing I could think of that might fit your criteria would be something like this:

Someone in a rescue area moves an unconscious/semiconscious victim to a place where the victim can be more easily found. Because of this, the victim is injured more seriously. But when said victim regains consciousness, s/he sees an IR person there, and assumes s/he was the one who caused the injury.

Of course, the IR field operative would have to be tried in absentia since, for security reasons, the operative would not be able to be there in person.

But what a publicity nightmare! And can you imagine the Hood trying to capitalize on that?

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Ooh, yes, that'd be terrible! No, drop that, it was a crazy idea.

Maybe something that could be misinterpreted by the press and used to fuel a scandal?

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I've had this brewing in my mind for some time. In the movie Thunderbirds are Go, International Rescue went on that cruise around the world. Then there's the episode Operation Crash-Dive, where Scott co-pilots the Fireflash.

Could International Rescue occasionally be involved in prevention schemes?

Or supposing a there's to be a new revolutionary craft of some kind (aircraft or ship, that kind of thing) and a terrorist group makes threats (or even the Hood). Would members of IR go on the craft openly on its maiden voyage, or send agents? What would they do?

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This doesn't have anything to do with the latest discussion, but there have been a lot of bits and pieces in posts where characters are worried about "lying to their families" or "letting things slip".

To help combat this, I suggest that a character could set up a private blog, one only accessible by immediate family. There they can control what they're telling their family, and it gives the impression of transparency. It also allows for selected pictures to be shown, as pictures are a touchy issue when dealing with IR and the recognition factor.

It also gives the character something to do on those off hours.

Just a suggestion.


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Dianne and I were talking about the flooding situation in North Dakota and Minnesota, and this idea crossed both of our minds: ice dams backing up a river. When the snow melts, the ice breaks up, causing huge problems. What do you all think?


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Hey, had this idea this morning while trying to write my post. What if someone out there had created an "official International Rescue" website - one that was far from official? What would it contain? How could IR bring it down, and would they create one of their own? What do you think?


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It might depend on several things. Is the name IR registered anywhere? Does it have a copyright? I wonder what the laws are concerning using the name Red Cross or something like that.

A lot of the problem 'phishing' web sites are set up countries who don't prosecute the people who create them. Having a real IR website would not stop the problem, only give them something else to copy.

On the other hand, I suspect John would not hesitate to go after them using his own computer skills. He could either close the sites down or flood it with so many 'hits' or emails that the people couldn't get anything from it.


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I was watching a lot of CSI:NY this past weekend (my daughter is a bit of a fanatic) and just before I hit the hay, I had a thought. What if the World Gov sent in a CSI-type forensic team after a rescue to pull whatever bits and pieces of evidence they could find in an attempt to discover who runs IR, etc.? I'm sure that the team leaves behind traces that, in 2069, could be used to get closer to the Tracys.

What do y'all think?

ETA: And Susan, I don't think John would necessarily go after an unofficial website... not when Jeff could sic Lena on them!


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True about John and Lena. I wonder if they could try to get a DNA match from some hair? Would Jeff had made sure all of the copies of people's fingerprints were destroyed as well as any DNA records?


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True about John and Lena. I wonder if they could try to get a DNA match from some hair? Would Jeff had made sure all of the copies of people's fingerprints were destroyed as well as any DNA records?


That's what I was thinking of. I think Jeff would have an agent (possibly Penny?) getting into any files that would contain such info and getting rid of it... or replacing it with something else, such as the DNA/fingerprints of someone who was dead. It would create a problem should someone go missing... there are permutations to such a deletion/substitution that might make it difficult to do. Maybe if someone has those fingerprints/samples and they key into a system, they'd be diverted to a doctored "identity" and a signal would go to Penny or whoever was in charge of keeping those identifiers under wraps? We can brainstorm about this; it's an interesting potential problem.


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[b]starrynebula wrote on Fri, 11 September 2009

The subject of doing a space rescue has come up during brainstorming sessions. I was thinking that maybe we should set things up for if we ever decide to do a space rescue and get some of the recruits trained as Callie is the only one established that she's trained on TB3/5 and being in space in general. Was thinking we might have John mention to Jeff about seeing if the recruits were interested in some extra training?

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Posted by Tikatu

I know I'd established that Dianne was supposed to have done some training in that area--despite her insistence that she doesn't "do" space. Not sure if we established that the others had. I know we have five of the canon characters who can work in space, possibly six if we count Virgil (who manned TB5 once in the series, IIRC). I'll leave it up to y'all if someone else needs to be trained or if you want your own characters to have some training.


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Posted by Icarus 1982

Vince would choose to keep his feet within Earth's atmosphere I think.


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Posted by Hobbeth

We have had 3 space rescues, in chapters 1, 4, & 9. Callie was the only non-canon character to go on any of them - the last two. So it would make sense to train up two or three recruits, in case some of the canons are unavailable for whatever reason.

I think Will would be shocked if he was asked, but intrigued. I'm wondering, though, if there's a maximum height requirement, since he's 6'4" tall.


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How would IR react if a gunfight started around them during a rescue? For instance, someone who is emotionally imbalanced misinterprets something someone else has said, pulls out a weapon (gun) and starts fighting?

Or, to make things more interesting, how about IR doing a rescue dealing with mental patients?


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I wonder if IR ever got nominated for the Nobel Prize? The nomination close Feb 1. And if they won, who would accept it?I wonder if IR ever got nominated for the Nobel Prize? The nominations for the year close on Feb 1. And if they won, who would accept it?

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Which prize do you think they'd be nominated for?

Actually accepting it would be an interesting problem in logistics. I think they could work it out, possibly with Ned Cook or even Drew helping. But it's an interesting idea!


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We discussed this a little at the last brainstorming. What do you all think the panda terrorists (named so because of the Panda rescue--but they probably need a cooler name) have in mind as their ultimate goal? We said they wanted to destabilize the World Gov, but why? Let's use this thread to discuss it some more, and suggest names for this group--if they want to take responsibility for their actions. Members who aren't players are welcome to comment, too, as always.

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We really should come up with some sort of mission statement from them. Real terrorists are always eager, almost proud, to take credit for what they've done. And we always know, usually in advance, what they stand for and why they feel that way. Might be something to come up with before we start the rescue plan involving them.

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We talked in the past about a charcter being kidnapped. What if we did that on the terrorist rescue and had it be a canon. (I'm thinking Virgil.) They might not harm him too badly, but use him as a hostage to further promote their cause.

Also, what if during a rescue, a helpful civilian handed one of the team a water bottle or energy bar that had been tainted? Again the terrorists doing their work? The civilian might or might not be aware of what they did. The team member would become sick, but not deathly so. Or even close to it, prompting the others to track down the culprits while finding the cure. Or even combining the kidnapping along with this scenario.

I'm being attacked by plot bunnies today...


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artisticrainey wrote on Thu, 26 July 2012 23:23
We really should come up with some sort of mission statement from them. Real terrorists are always eager, almost proud, to take credit for what they've done. And we always know, usually in advance, what they stand for and why they feel that way. Might be something to come up with before we start the rescue plan involving them.


I think these people aren't so much terrorists as people who are greedy, and want to see wars started. Perhaps they have what warring countries or groups need to fight, from arms to medical supplies, or even more high tech ways to spy on the enemy. But those things can't be used much in peacetime - at least not a profit.


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That would tie in with the fact that Jacques knows them and may have done business with them. They could also be greedy at the upper levels, and idealistic at the lower levels, ie: using nationalistic or anti-World Gov furor among the rabble to accomplish their ends, while not really believing in the rhetoric they spout.

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If they're just out to create conflict so they can sell some kind of goods needed more during war time, then they may not be so gun ho about claiming credit. They would want to avoid anything that may lead to things being traced to them as that may interfere with them selling their products.

I like the idea that they're trying to destabalize the World Gov for monetary reasons. Perhaps they're behind weapon manufacturing?Who were the terrorists that were blowing up the Fireflash in 'Operation Crash dive"? Could this be the same group?


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Ooh, what a delightful idea! Though the newscast (the one interrupted by Grandma's blowing a fuse with the nuclear cooker said the gang was arrested. Still, there's nothing to say that they were ALL arrested or that they hadn't been convicted, or had gotten out of prison.

I like this. Very, very much!

ETA: I'll have to go back and rewatch the episode (no sacrifice there; it's my favorite!) and see what they were accused of. I know the newscaster said what they were trying to do.


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Okay, how about this?

Jeff starts getting mysterious letters or emails that say, "We know who you represent, Mr. Tracy."? Just creepy stuff that somehow gets past mail handlers at the corporate/personal level or past email filters. Stuff that his secretary doesn't see but shows up on his screen or in his inbox. Not sure where to go with it, but the concern would be someone finding out about IR.

For that matter, why hasn't the Hood told anyone else that he knows who IR really is? That could be a really interesting plotline if he somehow let it slip (or someone made it him tell).


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Sounds intruiging! If we did it by emails it would give a great opportunity for Lena to star for a bit. Maybe even another agent as well, depending on where the emails are tracked to.

Could the Hood have been broken? Does IR now face an even worse enemy? Who could it be?


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